Jay interviews Jihadda Govan, the Monument Manager of Sand to Snow National Monument in Southern California which encompasses 154,000 acres and is co-managed by the Bureau of Land Management (83,000 acres) and U.S. Forest Service (71,000 acres). Jihadda holds a bachelor’s degree from California Polytechnic University, Humboldt, where she studied wildlife management with an emphasis in ornithology, botany, and environmental planning. She grew up in the Pasadena/Altadena areas, where she spent time hiking and exploring in the San Gabriel Mountains which sparked her love of the outdoors. Jihadda has previously worked as a wildland firefighter, wildlife biologist, and wildlife refuge and preserve manager.