J Shell talks with author Carl Safina, ecologist and author of books and other writings about our relationship with the natural world. Dr. Safina has a PhD in ecology from Rutgers University. He is an endowed professor at SUNY Stony Brook, and he is the host of the PBS series Saving the Ocean with Carl Safina. His books include Song for the Blue Ocean, Eye of the Albatross, The View From Lazy Point; A Natural Year in an Unnatural World, and Beyond Words; What Animals Think and Feel. They discuss that last book in this episode.